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Meme and an x-mass memorey

from ani_bester 

1. I'll respond with something random about you.
2. I'll tell you which song or movie you remind me of.
3. I'll pick a flavor of jello to eat with you.
4. I'll say something that only makes sense to you and me. (if possible. If not, I'll say something that only makes sense to me.)
5. I'll tell you my first most prominent memory of you .
6. I'll tell you what animal you remind me of.
7. I'll ask you something I've always wondered about you.
8. I'll tell you my favorite thing about you.
9. I'll tell you my least favorite thing about you (if I can think of something, honestly on LJ, it's hard for me to dislike someone)
10. If you play, you should really post this on yours

ok - this is going to sound wierd.  And maybe a little sad - but I don't see it that way.  My strongest memory of an early x-mass (it must have been between 1974 and 1976) is of my dad and I standing outside a tree lot waiting for them to get rid of the trees that hadn't sold.  Back then you could get a christmas tree on teh 24th for free.  So after church we would go find a tree and then decorate it.  To this day it still feels wrong to have a tree before the 24th (even though I have a fake tree and so I could have it up as long as I would want).  Trees arn't free on Christmass eve anymore - that makes me very very sad.   


Dec. 16th, 2008 07:53 am (UTC)
Ah, thanx for explaining - the dream i understand :)

So about werewolves then - this lore has strong rules, right? I mean there's main lore and you have almost nothing to add to it or it changes everytime too?
Dec. 16th, 2008 12:33 pm (UTC)
yeah her dream - her world.

Werewolves have enought lore to sink a ship but there seem to be three main types

1) you are born a were (whatever) You see this mostly in Native American, French, Irish and Norse cultures. They are often Heroes. They may not be Wolves they may be bears or whatever.

2) you use magic to become a wolf (or whatever) - you've made a chioce to become whatever - through the use of magic (it can be your own or someone elses) sometimes these are heros as well (Mirlin did it as did Sigfeird)

2) someone curses you to become a werewolf. This was (in fact) one of St Patrick's miricals. He curesed people who didn't become Christian to be Wolves - ravinous wolves. This is the type that went into makeing the "Holywood" type werewolf. The wolf in this is bad news.

With in each type you get vareaition. The silver bullit thing was added on in the 50's. As was the becomeing a werewolf with a bite. So ther eis still room to 'play' with the Lore. Most of the things we think of as 'Werewolf' have no suport in Lore.
Dec. 16th, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
Huh, it's interesting how modern view changes lore...
If i get it right parts 2 and 3 can be humans and don't change themselves in wolves if they don't want to (or the spell was broken) but part 1 is already not human but mix of human with wolf?
And p1 are always heroes? I mean they never mentioned as bad thing? Just curious.
And Merlin was one of those who becomes animals? Can you tell me more about it?
Oh, i didn't know that about St Patrick... i thought he only exile snakes...
Dec. 17th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
Type 1 can change back and forth whenever they like - think of it as truely haveing two forms. They don't always have to be heros (after all Coyote can cause trouble) many are warriors - so they would be heros in one story - but if they stroy was told from the other side they would be vilians.

type 2 and 3 start of as human but are changed by Magic. Yeah, Merlin changed his form, he was a Salmon and a Stag and probalby things I can't remember off of the top of my head.

Yeah St. Patric exiled snakes and cursed people - depending on what viersion you read the people he curesed either spent 7 years as a wolf or seven weeks as a wolf. It was passed down in familys. Like many Saints he wasn't the nicest of people
Dec. 17th, 2008 07:34 am (UTC)
Thanx for explaining.

back to saints then - why they are saints after all if they weren't nice people? Maybe their deeds outweigh some bad they caused? I mean they're known as saints so there must be something good they did and good big enough to be remembered for it?
Dec. 17th, 2008 12:35 pm (UTC)
Most of the early saints spread Christianity. That is considered (byt the church) to be a good thing even if to do it you - say - poured moulten lead down peoples mouths. They also need to have performed miricals.

It isn't so much about being a nice person as... well the mirical thing.
Dec. 18th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
I know it's mostly church;s look at things but i mean - now saints are nice, right? I know Mother Teresa - she was good person and she deserved this status - she didn't offend anyone as far as i know...
Dec. 19th, 2008 03:01 am (UTC)
as far as I know everyone in the running for becomeing a saint *now* are good people - or I should say Nince people (I think there is a diffenrce between 'good' and 'nice')

But yeah, St Patric cursed people *shrug* mind you the people he cursed probably *didn't* look at it as a curse after all many of their heros were shapechangers. They may have looked on it as an honor
Dec. 19th, 2008 09:04 am (UTC)
I think it all was changing with morality standarts and all - we don't know how life was those years - maybe it was ok for people there. And you're right, maybe for those who became shapwshifters and haroes it wasn't a curse but grace? It's interesting question then... what it curse and what is not... sometimes wealth gives you nothing but troubles and such 'strange' thing as shapeshifting is actually good...
Dec. 20th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
I think it was expected to fight non christions in anyway you could curising them or whatever.

It was written down as a curse - I don't know how the people who had it laid on them felt about it. my family dosn't trace back to those familys - or not that I know of anyway.
Dec. 20th, 2008 10:52 am (UTC)
That's what i was thinking too. There were rough times and rough metods were required. But morality changed and now we read about it and shudder. But it's not right to judge them with our level of morality.

my family dosn't trace back to those familys
And you wish for connection? ;)
Dec. 20th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I wonder what kind of world we'd be in if Christiantiy hadn't taken it's 'expland or die trying' attitude from the Romans. I wonder if ther ewould have been less atrocitys in history...

I have enough crazy coneections in my background - my mom's family traces back to Willam Wallice and (if you beleve family historys that far back) Odin. My dad's mom was related to Michal Collens (of IRA fame) and his dad (who was part Scot part Native) was decended from the brother of someone from Nials Saga (the decendand of the brothers of Uun the Deep minded)I have no idea who his Natave Family is related too - other then I have a second cousin who is in a "Warrior Socitiy" but I've only met him a few times. He's a primary French speaker - so we have a little of a languge problem.
Dec. 21st, 2008 09:47 am (UTC)
Wow. William Wallace! Wow... I don't know much about him but i saw Braveheart and love it (sorry if you don't like it). You have VERY interesting family history.

I wonder if ther ewould have been less atrocitys in history...
I really doubt it. I wonder if it's in human nature no matter what religion he believes. look at modern world and other religions (not Christianity) - they all have atrocious acts. At least Christianity outlives its bad times and doesn't have much influence on social life now.