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OK I've know I've been running around all week saying "YED isn't all evil" with no explanation at all.  So here is my short explination of what makes me think the YED isn't all bad. 

First off the obvious: it's had ample opurtunity to kill both Sam and Dean and hasn't taken it.  Not only has YED not taken it's opertunity to kill the younger Winchesters, but it has instructed its offspring (and hentchmen) to not kill, said younger Winchesters.  OK, yeah it coudl be that Dean and Sam are on some YED only list.  No one else gets to kill them but YED.  Posable, but I don't buy it. 

Second: the way Mary and Jess were killed.  They were burned to death.  They were burned alive.  This "alive' part is very important.  The alive part  shows concern for the souls of both Mary and Jess.  I can hear you saying 'but witches were burned to death during the Trials' and it is (to soem extent) true.  If you confessed to beign a witch (or werewolf, or "chouser of the slane' or what ever you were on trial for, you woudl be burned - the fire in this life simulating the fire in the afterlife and cleanign your soul. If you were found guilty and did not confess you woudl be strangled and then burnt.  You would that way be denied entry into heaven forever.   The time spent burning in this life shortend the time spent burning in the next.  

Now from a perspective of someone who woudl beleve that buring someone woudl shorten their time in purgitory both Mary and Jess were sinners.  Mary was a protestent - I'm making this assumption becasue of dialog in any number of eps.  And don't tell me Jess and Sam wern't having sex - they lived together.  Both woman probably wore "men's clothes" as well.  We've seen both of them with their lovly blond hair falling all over their shoulders.  Minor sins maybe (well not the herisy part) but still sins.  The YED (to his mind most likely) was being kind. 

Last (at least for now) is somthing I noticed in 'Salvation'  and it was this - when the radio comes on the first word spoken? Alah.  then a bunch of static and Jahova and then a bunch of stuff I don't understand.  Not many (if any) demons should be able to speak the name of god.  

What does this say to me?   YED is old.  YED is really really old. And he was highly placed when he was YEA (before he became YED) or he woudln't have had the right to say god's name.  Now there are storys about the times after the "fall" that say that some of the angels that fell potitioned heaven to be returend - soem came 'home' soem didn't.  Could YED be trying to coem home?  OK probalby not.  But YED has made chioces that seem (at least where our family is concerned) well - soft, almost loving.  

Sorry to be rambly - but I am sick...


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Apr. 9th, 2007 12:40 am (UTC)
You know i read this over again and I know my minds not working... sigh*

I will get to rest in about three weeks...

I'm thinking really oldschool here. It's NOT my personal perspective (I was rased Unitarian - so I pritty much don't care what /who you do) I would say pritty much everything in this post is pre - say 1700...

I woudl guess that if YED is a named demon he woudl be Lucifer or Azreal (sp?) there have been written refernces to both in the show...

I don't know that the guys will kill YED... so much as he won't be in the picture any more. Come to that I don't think that there is any theological suprot to that one person being able to either (that comment woudl be personal belefe there - I don't think anythign else is)

As to why demons (any demons) woudl try to get back - I don't exactly know. There is also the story of the earth bound angels - ones that came ot earth before the fall and inter bread with humans...

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Apr. 9th, 2007 01:25 am (UTC)
Well Mom was a minister adn dad well he was an english teacher (his doctoral theieis was on William Blake - so... ummm he might as well have been a minister)

earth bound angels are sort of -er christion fairy tails (I think they are called Nifilhelm- and I KNOW I spelled that wrong) it was the christion explination of giants...

personaly I htink evil and good have to balence - so my answere woudl be you can't... you know Buffy hadn't even entered my mind (but I loved it)

I think YED has to be old... it just has to be...

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Apr. 9th, 2007 11:22 am (UTC)
I have to say I agree with Jared - Supernatural will end with them dead. It woudl kinda be nice...

I'll see if I can come up witht eh corect spelling for you for the nifilhime things...
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Apr. 9th, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
The boy (that's what everyone who knows me calls him) knows of waht he speeks... I read someplace his mom teaches Folk Lore and Myth (OK now I have this image of him saying things like "ok so we've moved into stage nine of the heroic journey - so - um - I die now right? Do I get to do the whole decending into hell thing? Or am I just gonna well, you know - get fixed somehow?")

It probalby won't be until I get back on the 17th or 18th... I'm doing a work trip and It's got me all flipped out - I have to drive through mountins tomorow and they scare the crap out of me...
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Apr. 10th, 2007 11:38 am (UTC)
He said folk lore and Myth at the paly festival (I think) adn his dad is an accountant. I watched the commintaray in Cry_wolf and I guess he actulay said to then at one point "I'm not saying that it's a stupid expository line" so yaah I can see him saying things liek that (mind you Sam gets all the stupis expoistory lines)

I'm going to Equine affair OH. I will be surounded by cowboys... no snow - it shoudl be about 55. I am phobic of mountains... funny since I've alwasy wanted to go to Wales...
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Apr. 17th, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
Oh we know exaclty where we are going - we go every year - it's like driving to work...

I don't mind driving in the moutains if it's a car or a pickup - but we take a pick up. But we are goin in a Pensky Truck. In fact I woudl rather be driving.

Telling me moutanins are beautiful is a bit like telling Sam Clowns are funny. I'm not ever going to see it (well that's not true - when I was in San Deiago - the moutains in CA are wonderful things)

I lived in Boston for years - other drivers can't intimidate me.. LOL.

OH and it snowed on the way back.
Apr. 9th, 2007 01:53 am (UTC)
lots of interesting points here... wow.
Apr. 9th, 2007 02:03 am (UTC)
See what happens when an english teacher and a minister have a kid?

I wish I could focus better adn then it woudl make more sence...

now we can mix some hoodoo in by saying Sammy was beggd for at the crossroads and then we would need to know what time (before midnight or after)

And of course none of this is my personal beleife (I pray to who ever seesm most aproprate to the venture at hand - so I don't know exactly what that makes me. Pagen I guess - animist more likely... not good with labels - easer to say I'm UU and the rest is now of your busness LOL)

Man I need to shake this thing. Off to the arms of nyquil and airborn...
Apr. 9th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC)
See what happens when an english teacher and a minister have a kid?
heheh yep!

yeah, that'd probably make you Pagan. :D

awww, feel better! *hugs*
Apr. 9th, 2007 11:17 am (UTC)
*sisnging* born to be a dork

yeah, but I do my stuff alone and I don't follow a tradition of any kind.

I hope so tomorow is gonna suck if I don't
Apr. 9th, 2007 01:41 pm (UTC)
so, it makes you an eclectic Pagan... like me. ;)

:S *hugs*
Apr. 9th, 2007 11:31 pm (UTC)

Call me Thursday? Please? I'll be rippin gmy hair out by then...
Apr. 10th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
the phone number i have -- that's your cell then? i'll call. :D
Apr. 10th, 2007 11:42 am (UTC)
yeah I only call you from my cell. I should be leaving work around 8 and then off to supper... so anytime after you put the kids to bed...
Apr. 10th, 2007 02:29 pm (UTC)
will do - thursday it is! ;D
Apr. 17th, 2007 01:21 am (UTC)
sorry for the drunkeness - I was so frustrated I just needed to be blotto...
Apr. 17th, 2007 02:23 am (UTC)
fair enough. *hugs*
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