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OK I just read a review of Bone Key. I don't know why I know people hated it. But not as much as they hated Nevermore - Mind you I *Liked* Nevermore. I *liked* that it had 2 plots. (this is where I make a snarky comment about how much I read vs how much the rest of the fandom reads)

The reviwer meantioned Nikki and Bodge and how they had cute nicknames. I had to comment.

I don't think Bodge is a cute nickname. It's what my parents call me (and no I'm not kidding)

Or something along those lines.

It was fun seeing my name in a book. I liked it.

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jenni_fromtexas
Aug. 6th, 2009 03:29 pm (UTC)
I wasn't a big fan of either book, but of the two I liked The Bone Key better. I appreciated the dual plots in the first novel, but what I disliked were the (IMO) poorly written OFC characters. The female cop in particular irritated me. Also, I like it when our heroes face at least some danger. In Nevermore, there was potential, but never really any tense OMG! type moments. In The Bone Key, I thought there were more interesting and colorful OFC's, and at least there was some decent angst. I also really liked the legendary ghost stories - esp. the one about the doll in the attic.

Marriot's Witch's Canyon was the book I enjoyed the most so far. To me, it was more exciting and faster paced than DeCandido's books, and had plenty of danger and angst. :)

I'll definitely be reading DeCandido's new novel, though. Maybe the third time will be the charm.

I've always wondered about your nickname. (It is really cute, btw) Is there a story behind it? XD
bodgei
Aug. 6th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
I wasn’t a huge fan of Witches Canyon, all I remember about it was part of it took place in a mall. But they are tie ins – they really can’t be good, the authors don’t have enough time. They get a few months to write them in.

What I like about DeCandido's Supernatural tie ins (I haven’t read any of his other tie ins) was the sense of humor and the sense of place, I didn’t really get that from Marriot. But I only spent three hours reading each book – well bone Key took me longer because I kept going “huh” every time I read my name.

Well my name was supposed to be Christopher, but I wasn’t a boy. So my parents were calling me Bodge, because of the way I moved (halfway between a Budge and a wiggle) and it turned out to be a word. It’s a hastily made mistake. But in the middle ages Bodges were itinerant furniture makers (they carried lathes on their backs) they also gleaned and it may have been a unit of measurement (an 1/8 th of a bushel)

trystan830
Aug. 6th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
you know i liked all of 'em so far. :)
bodgei
Aug. 6th, 2009 11:08 pm (UTC)
yeah I enjoyed them - but I liked WC the least...
trystan830
Aug. 7th, 2009 04:07 am (UTC)
ahh well that's interesting.

btw, LJ notifications are about 4 hours behind. i think they're playing wtih LJ again. and breaking it again. *sigh*
bodgei
Aug. 7th, 2009 11:38 am (UTC)
yeah I noticed this am when I had like a million notifications... sigh*
trystan830
Aug. 7th, 2009 12:29 pm (UTC)
yeppers. i have a LOT this morning, we'll see what happens over the course of the day.....
bodgei
Aug. 8th, 2009 01:52 am (UTC)
it seems to have settled out.
trystan830
Aug. 9th, 2009 02:03 pm (UTC)
yeah, now it has. two to three days leter.....
bodgei
Aug. 10th, 2009 12:04 am (UTC)
yeah - I still have some alerts that I have to go back and look at.
trystan830
Aug. 10th, 2009 12:27 am (UTC)
oh wow....
bodgei
Aug. 10th, 2009 12:45 am (UTC)
yeah
pen37
Aug. 6th, 2009 04:57 pm (UTC)
I haven't read any of the books yet, but typically it's difficult to write tie-in novels, because they're written maybe 8 months to a year in advance of release (If the author is lucky, he will get six months to write the thing.) In that time with a show like SPN, the plot changes drastically.

And at the same time, you have fans who expect the fictionized sam and dean to match the (less concrete because it's a visual medium) tv sam and dean (who had better match their spin on sam and dean and even the well-written fanfics differ slightly on characterization).

When that dosen't happen (because hey, written 6-8 months ago using the author's take on things), they hate it (and mix a little bit of petty jealousy in there, because SPN fandom is rife with it. One of the reviewers of the meta book I contributed to hated the book because it wasn't 'written by true fans.').

And although there are exceptions, tie-ins aren't always as well written as original fiction, because the author gets a very short time to write the book. So there's not much of a chance to let it simmer in the brain, get it right, try again, etc. (I wrote a YA novel for NANOWRIMO last september, and right now I'm only up to chapter 7 in revisions. It can take a while. ) They get one shot at it. And if they fail to produce, the publishing company gives the product to someone else, and all they have to show for it is a half-finished story that they can't sell.

I serously laugh about how SPN treats Chuck like a writing machine. Dreams feed in and the story comes out the keyboard.
bodgei
Aug. 6th, 2009 11:04 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed Nevermore and Bone Key - considering I think he had like 4 months or something to write them in. They were what they were. But here's the thing - I had read some short stories by him already (original stuff) and he actually made me Laugh out loud - so I was predisposed to like the tie ins.

i don't read a lot of tie ins in general - and would *never* write one, people are just too mean. I have to say I found that review of the meta book interesting - because I still don't get why an academic *can't* be a fan - but they are going to use different language skills - each academic area *has different language usage. We spend a lot of time learning our disciplines jargon. So from what I could tell, I wouldn’t qualify as a fan because I will default to – well sounding like an agricultural academic, but Mom can be a fan because she is a theologian.

Heck I did a novel in a month last august and I've only edited up to chapter 5 - I know it takes time. They just don’t have the time to make it perfect.
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bodgei
Aug. 6th, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
It's a Supernatural tie in novel - I enjoyed it. but it has the smae issues as the show. But it had a chericter named Bodge in it.

Never seen that before.
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bodgei
Aug. 7th, 2009 10:59 am (UTC)
Oh good I was thinking what does this have to do with the Europen Union?

*giggles at self*

So, yeah, my name was used in an EU book. I've never seen my name in print before - and when my story got publihed I used Elizabeth. Mom seemd kinda irritated by that. So maybe next time I'll use Bodge *shrug* I have a plethera of names to use.
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bodgei
Aug. 8th, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
here is me all confused... but that's how I've been all week. All confused.
eilonwy
Aug. 7th, 2009 01:07 am (UTC)
I feel I should point out that the majority of my review was in the chapter-by-chapter bits. And that while I fully understand the difficulties of media tie-in writers, I feel that DeCandido, especially after the abominable Nevermore (and I wrote a review of that as well) does it worse than most. And lest you think that I'm one who is complaining about the multiple plots of Nevermore, that is not the case-- (and as a literature PhD student and college instructor, I assure you I read at least as much as other fans!) I think multiple plots are great-- I just think both plots were poorly handled, and Nevermore lacked any sense of urgency. This was improved upon in Bone Key but overall I still see these tie-ins as a missed opportunity.

All that said? I'm *really* glad that people like them because it means they'll keep getting bought and written and SPN will continue to be a viable market commodity. I'll be picking up the next book (in February) and will start out neutral in the hopes that it'll be good.

(I'm, uh, not stalking you--promise! Just followed you over from your comment. :) )
bodgei
Aug. 7th, 2009 11:17 am (UTC)
I didn't think you were stalking me.

I know no one liked Nevermore. But I guess I was looking at it from a different POV. I enjoyed the sense of place and humor he showed in Nevermore. It was basically a Cozy Mystery - that is the genre my Mother writes in so once I figured that out I was fine with it.

I don't like tie ins in general - but I did enjoy those two. But hey it's 2 hours out of my life no big deal. The authors get very little time to write them - I've been told by people who do write tie ins that they get between 1 and 6 months in total including revisions. I've spent just about a year editing my last novel and it's not ready for anyone to look at.

You have to admit this fandom in general *dosn't* read. Heck most of this fandom doesn’t have a grounding in Horror. Over the years I have realized that nine times out of ten when I make comments, the person I'm making them too may spell better than I do, but they don't have the same level of education, and most of them haven't picked up a book this year.


edit: I should also add that I like the guy based on his orignal works (one read just before I read Nevermore and one read just before Bone Key) So I'm a bit more likely to defend him, just as I'm a bit more likely to read his tie ins. I've only read maybe 10 tie ins in my whole life and only one was truely memorable, and that wasn't in this universe.



Edited at 2009-08-07 11:35 am (UTC)
eilonwy
Aug. 7th, 2009 01:57 pm (UTC)
I rather suspect, from reading just Nevermore and Bone Key, that DeCandido would do better with original works, and I'm glad to hear that that's true. My trouble with Bone Key was less about the book as itself and more about it as a tie-in with Supernatural, in which case a similar, original work (with perhaps more time for development) would probably be pretty good.

You have to admit this fandom in general *dosn't* read.
Well, I'll admit that my knowledge of this fandom is limited to the people I've friended on LJ, but honestly I've found the SPN fandom to be surprisingly erudite and literate (once you get past the fangirls who are just there to ogle the actors.) I think we may have come across wildly different segments of fandom, to be honest.

I won't argue your point about a grounding in horror, however, as I, for example, don't have one. That said, I think there are some things about good storytelling (in which I have a solid grounding) that go across genres.

Thank you for this discussion, by the by. I'm really glad to get a different perspective on these. :)
bodgei
Aug. 8th, 2009 01:50 am (UTC)
What I’ve read of his was cross genre fantasy/police procedural. Sort of a High Fantasy version of Law and Order: CI. Enjoyable midlist fantasy.

I would say the people I interact with directly are well educated – or at least deep thinkers. Anytime I venture into a comm I’m generally disappointed. After four seasons I’ve become seriously gun shy. I may have just had bad luck.

True that good storytelling does cross genre, but I would argue that Supernatural does use visual things that are either homage or satire on other shows and movies within the genre. So when I, say, saw the scene with Dean in hell, I not only saw that scene, but also the reference to Hellraiser. I think, but I’m not sure, that it may have had a bigger impact with the genre knowledge.

But then again I would also say that horror is just an extension of folk and fairy tale. The first ‘slasher’ piece I remember reading was the English story “Blue Beard” out of one of the colored Fairy Books.
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