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I’ve read several posts and comments that have implied that all Sam girls are panicking over the recent spoilers. I’m gonna make an attempt to explain how I’m feeling without directly addressing the spoilers.

Last year Sam died. Dean made a deal to bring him back to life. When Sam woke up – he seemed to know something was wrong. By the end of the ep he knew he had been dead. We’ve never seen much of a fall out from that – admittedly he was a little obsessed with saving Dean. But nothing was ever said about what he felt about being dead – or even about how he felt about his brother for having sold his soul. Nothing. Admittedly I’ve always said that Sam was borderline sociopathic – so that may be the answer, he may honestly not be feeling anything.

He watched his bother die over and over – and that hasn’t been addressed either.

Last Summer we had a spoiler that Sam was going to ‘step up as a leader’ this year – we never saw that. Now I’m pretty sure that is being pushed back to season four. In all honesty I think that all the Sam spoilers we had for Sam for season three – are now for Season four. I understand that it was because of the strike. I get it.

I’m not upset that we haven’t seen Sam spoilers. Since we *have*. I am worried that what we’ve been promised won’t happen. And I’m not talking super special Sam here. I’d like to get to see how Sam the man is trying to handle all of this. And I am worried that we won’t. Kripke pays attention to the fans, they cut the PsiKids story line short because of fan reaction, I’m worried that the lack of support for seeing Sam story lines will effect when- or even *if* we see them. I don’t want that.

Don’t get me wrong. I love Dean. I do love Sam more and for different reasons. I do have to say that I have been upset by posts and comments that I have read. I don’t think that there should be a brother war. I mean that’s silly. This is a show about two brothers. Two brothers. Just cause you like one more then me doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. They are both gonna be there.

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trystan830
May. 29th, 2008 03:13 am (UTC)
This is a show about two brothers. Two brothers. Just cause you like one more then me doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. They are both gonna be there.

totally agree with you there! :D
bodgei
May. 29th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
I do have to say i'm smartting from a few things that have been said to me in comms this year - mostly along the 'how can you be a Sam girl' lines. and, of course I'm still not over the whole 'i hope sam stays dead' thing. so in a way when Sam girls freak out abotu stupid things - I think it has more to do with that, then anything that is happing now.
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raloria
May. 29th, 2008 03:43 am (UTC)
Hi. Trys linked me here. :)

Actually, Kripke said that he was sick of the whole group of "special kids" and that's why they killed them all off in the S2 finale.

I agree that this shouldn't turn into a war of which brother is the hero, which is better, popular, or whatever. There are two brothers on this show, and that's the way it's going to stay. :)
bodgei
May. 29th, 2008 12:21 pm (UTC)
cool - she said she linked someone here -

Personaly I hated the special kids my self, in fact I hated Ava so much I had this fantasy that Sam hit her over the head with a very heavy book. I've never hated anyone introduced except for her (now mind you I've hated her in other things as well - so it may be the actress rubs me the wong way) I was alwasy told it went the way it did because of fan reaction - since I saw quite a bit of negitve fan reaction to it (including sevral posts saying that Sam should die and stay dead)

For me it's been a hard year in the fandom as a Sam girl. Starting with Teen Choice last year it became OK to bash Sam and Jared. Or I should say - it seemed to become OK. So we went from the "Not to be a hater" post - that outlined why Jared didn't deserve to be nominated for a Teen Choice and ended with "but it's a crapy award anyway" to the "Oh good he's going to be dead, I want him off my show" posts to a set of "I don't know why the focus is all on Sam, Dean has been dropped by the wayside" posts (makeing me wonder if they are even watching the same show as I am- because I think it's pritty balenced) So I think this came at a time when a lot of Sam girls just feel so beat down and defensive- spolers just had bad timing. I mean I know I feel very 15 year old stomping my foot and saying 'My guy is just as good as yours'

So with the past year in mind you get these spoilers - and I have to say they left me feeling like 'Well Sam's never had any of trama addressed so either Sam's crazy or the writters don't care about his trama' but then I was thinking in the shower bout how the family works and I relized that John was really the one who got Sam to really talk about his feelings (breifly in Dead Mans Blood) Im not saying that Sam dosn't talk about how he's to Dean - but it's normaly in an attampt to get Dean to talk ("i'm not OK and you aren't either") if Dean trys on his own he normaly gets "I'm sorry but you have no idea I feel" (Scarecrow) or "It's not about her it's about me" (Provanance)

So I could see Sam broching the "how you feelign since you came back from the dead" topic in a "'cause you know I feel really wierd - I don't feel rigth and I, you know, didn't want to scare you" kinda way.
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darkspectre
May. 29th, 2008 03:55 am (UTC)
This is a show about two brothers. Two brothers. Just cause you like one more then me doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. They are both gonna be there.

I CONCUR!

Kripke pays attention to the fans, they cut the PsiKids story line short because of fan reaction, I’m worried that the lack of support for seeing Sam story lines will effect when- or even *if* we see them.

Eric also cut back on Jo because of fan reaction and she didn't bother me all that much. I want more than anything to see evil Sam! But I do want him to go good again though. :) A little darkside would be fun.
bodgei
May. 29th, 2008 12:28 pm (UTC)
Me I'd love to see evil Sam. Bu ti have a long complext thought on how Sam will be Dark side - but more "my Dark side is less darkside then yours" that could be realy complex and emotive (but not emo) maybe I should use the word evocitive?

Yeah Jo - we never even got to know her... sigh*
leelust
May. 29th, 2008 04:11 am (UTC)
But nothing was ever said about what he felt about being dead – or even about how he felt about his brother for having sold his soul
Actually i must disagree (i think).
For the first half - Sam was dead but he wasn't anywhere - he was around and i think they didn't accent it cos of the fact that he didn't remember anything. We don't know how that deal works - it could be that for Sam it was 1 minute and he was alive again.
As to second part - i think through the whole S3 they let us know how he felt about his brother and his deal. He became overprotective, he was worry all the S3 what else could he do? He researched, he tried, even in last minute - he did everything to save Dean. I think it's enough.
And now we left with knowledge that Sam knows he can save Dean by using his powers which he can yet use properly cao he doesn't know how - it's good start of S4 for me.
Kripke pays attention to the fans
Yes, he lostens to the fans but he knows how to stop them either. He said that those fans who don't like Ruby must give in cos she stays. He knows how to stand his ground so i think you worry too soon :)
bodgei
May. 29th, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)
I supose he could feel that he was dead only a minute when he was dead for 3 days. We don't know that he wasn't anywhere - and from the things he said/ did at the end of last season and the begining of this one I would say he does know - is aware that he was dead and what happend to him.

I'm actuly not panicked - what I am is struggling not to be realy realy angry. Like i said I don't care about the spoilers - we still have ours from last year. We were promised that story line would be in season 4. Sam got his spoilers this time last year.

What I am angry and worried about is that it's OK to hate on Sam and Jared (and Sam girls). Like I said before I don't really have many Sam girls on my list - and we don't seem post to comms anymore. So most of the posts I see if I comment like "you know it woudl be nice if Sam was addressed" I get negitive comments back. That makes people angry.

I understand that the fandome is Dean heavy (the same way it is wincest heavy) but I think a lot of people are misinterpteting things - adn I'm not saying Samgrils aren't pissed. Get enough "I don't understand how you could posably like him" coments and you'd get pissed too. or "i'm sexyer then Jared" when he got the TV guide thing"

also see my comment to raloria above for why I think this had such a reaction. But mostly timing. I feel disinfanchised from the fandom - adn I think a lot of Sam girls do to.
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jenni_fromtexas
May. 29th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
I love both boys but I do ADORE Sam. So I've been avoiding reading the anti-Sam comments. I know much they would upset me. I especially hate being made to feel like I should like one brother over another. It's ridiculous.

And I agree; Kripke listens way too much to fans. I have a lot of wishes for Season 4, but more than anything, like you, what I want is for fans to stop quibbling and realize the show is about TWO brothers.
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bodgei
May. 29th, 2008 10:34 pm (UTC)
I try not to - but every once and a while they slip through the filter. it makes my brain hurt.
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bodgei
May. 29th, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC)
I think what is comming across as Sam girls being upset by the spoilers (or lack there of- and there hasn't been a lack - Sam's story got pushed back, so if you think about it Sam has MORE spoliers) is, in fact, a reaction to the coms treatment of Sam/Jared/Sam girls.

I've been asked "how can you like him?" I've been told he can't act, I've read "Sam should die - and stay dead" all in the past year. When I say that to Dean girls (evne ones I'm close to) the reaction I get is "Well I haven't seen that. All I've seen is *you guys* crying and complaining"

I couldn't give a rats ass about the spoilers - they make sence. I DO want to see the issues adressed equily - and I don't know that they will be. And that makes me sad.

do any Sam girls post in the comms anymore? I mean is it safe? LOL
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betgirl
May. 30th, 2008 01:31 am (UTC)
I am more of a Dean girl, but I love Sam too and I really want to know more about him too. I heard about what's happening but I haven't read anything because I like to stay away from all the wank. Besides, anti-Sam comments upset me just like anti-Dean ones do. I think we saw a little bit of how Sam has been affected by everything that happened, but I don't think it was enough and there certainly is much more to be addressed. I'd like to see that. That's what I love seeing most on the show, regarding both boys. To me it's what makes the show strong, so I hope we get to see more of that when it comes to Sam just like I hope they keep showing the same when it comes to Dean.

This is a show about two brothers. Two brothers. Just cause you like one more then me doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. They are both gonna be there.
You are totally right. I don't understand how people can't respect what someone else thinks or likes. I like Dean better because I identify with him more. Everyone has their own reasons. It's stupid that people keep fighting because of that just like it's stupid that they keep counting who has more spoilers. The spoilers are for the show, at least that's how I see it.
bodgei
May. 30th, 2008 01:37 am (UTC)
I think what has really upset me is that I really haven't seen any 'anti dean' comments - but i have seen a lot of posts telling Sam girls to stop hating.

I do feel like that was dropped with Sam - but I do get that it's becasue of the stike. I am a little fretful that we will get the explanation with Dean but not with Sam.

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