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I wanted to post about how sad adn frutrated I am about fandome... I wanted to say how I alwasy feel liek i have to be defensive about not likeing wincest.  I wanted to say how someone said I was a homophobe once (cause it can't posabley be becasue people shouldn't sleep with siblings) 

But somehow it never came out.  

I feel like a spoiled child and Like I'd be whining.  

I hate feeling likethis.  I hate feeling like there is no place for me bacasue I am a) a Sammy girl, b) like John and c) don't want to read about 2 brothers screwing. 

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ladyaelfwynn
Mar. 29th, 2007 12:32 am (UTC)
One of the reasons I never really talked about what I was reading fanfiction wise was because I read a lot of crap I couldn't stand. I HATE Mpreg. To me, it totally destroys my willing suspension of disbelief. I, also don't like to read incest (though I bizarrely make an exception for the weasley twins (but really prefer them in a threesome with hermione)) and don't really like Draco paired with anyone. But I also understand this is my own taste and that each person has their likes and dislikes.

I'm sorry if people are giving you crap. Read what you want and tell them to sod off.
bodgei
Mar. 29th, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
It's funny, I've pritty much stopped readign fan fiction in my three fandomes (HP, Terry Pratchett and Supernatural)

I read one REALLY good mpreg story.

It's strange that the Supernatural fandome is SO incest heavy - well I guess it isn't really I mean the guys are hot and have a really close conection (both the chericters and the actors) and there are only the two chericters - so if you can't write a convincing OC then - well you have limited options.

The funny thing is all the fans go wonky about the guys sleeping with people on the show.

You know i got a simalar reaction when I wrote a het remus fic (mind you I think he's bi - but I doubt he and Sirus ever dated in school)

I'm jsut hateing fandome today...LOL
trystan830
Mar. 29th, 2007 02:26 am (UTC)
and of course, i apparently started it all....
bodgei
Mar. 29th, 2007 11:22 am (UTC)
actualy I don't think you did. If I hadn't already been pissed off from last week I doubt I would have said anything.

It all just hit me at once - and maybe that manip of Sam with Dean in place of Maddy drove me over...

You didn't start it - I mean you did, but I was already on a rip as it was. And you KNOW I'm feeling overprotective anyway.
trystan830
Mar. 29th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC)
hehe... yeah, good point.

*hugs*
bodgei
Mar. 30th, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
still going nuts... but not so much.

I mean how can I be upset Sam is going to cry tonight and he cries so UGLY it makes him so cute. He crys like a 6 yearold whos just had his dog shot (or knowing Jared a 25 year old whos just had his dog shot)

I guess it got worse over there, I never read all of the replys and the post has been deleted - but I guess someone thregtend to have the com shut down.

I just wanted to post "Look just cause I don't like brothers sleeping together dosen't make me a homophobe. take a f-ing xanex"
trystan830
Mar. 30th, 2007 01:55 am (UTC)
i think she voluntarily deleted the post....
bodgei
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
yeah she did.

And next week is going to be clam in the SPN fan world - right?

It's got to be me...
trystan830
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:30 am (UTC)
awww.... it's not you. people in general are weird....
bodgei
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:44 am (UTC)
yeah I supose - and you know a few weeks ago I was complaining htat I miss everything... LOL
trystan830
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:53 am (UTC)
hehe... be careful what you wish for, eh?
bodgei
Mar. 30th, 2007 11:26 am (UTC)
yeah - but I guess I did miss a lot of this like what happend between jennyfromtexas and everyone over there...
trystan830
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:58 pm (UTC)
eh, no biggie. quite silly if you ask me. i think it's over now...
bodgei
Mar. 31st, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC)
yeah I hope so. I would love a nice peacful week, with no chericter bashing, no writer bashing and no fan bashing.
trystan830
Mar. 31st, 2007 06:26 pm (UTC)
yaaay!!!!
bodgei
Mar. 31st, 2007 06:33 pm (UTC)
although I have to be honist I still feel hurt and upset by said, chericter, writer adn fan bashing... I will, of course, get over it.
trystan830
Mar. 31st, 2007 06:43 pm (UTC)
yeah, i understand. this time it really got out of hand....
bodgei
Mar. 31st, 2007 06:50 pm (UTC)
sort of felt like Salem...
trystan830
Mar. 31st, 2007 06:56 pm (UTC)
hey, i resemble that remark....
bodgei
Mar. 31st, 2007 07:07 pm (UTC)
see my wordy reply to Jennyfromtexas below...
trystan830
Mar. 31st, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
*goes*
trystan830
Mar. 31st, 2007 07:12 pm (UTC)
wow, that was a cool reply.....
bodgei
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
beacuse I can only make a decent post as a reply to someone else...

It's true though. We are the samll town of fandom - I should edit that and post it somewhere...
trystan830
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:33 am (UTC)
hehe yep... you can post it at your lj, obsessions... uhm...i have no idea where else....
bodgei
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:35 am (UTC)
I coudl post it at the comm in question...LOL
trystan830
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:43 am (UTC)
heheh... you could do that too..... ;)
bodgei
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:56 am (UTC)
I can't decide how to edit it... I have it in word right now and I'm jut looking at it.
trystan830
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:59 am (UTC)
i usually let it sit until the next time i work on it....
bodgei
Apr. 1st, 2007 02:01 am (UTC)
yeah...
trystan830
Apr. 1st, 2007 02:02 am (UTC)
:D
thewhiteroad
Mar. 29th, 2007 02:47 am (UTC)
I'm not terribly into wincest either, I'll read it every so often if I'm bored but not much else. It's definitely unnecessary for folks to be rude about you not caring for it though, you're entitled to read and not read whatever you choose, just like those who do like it. And it definitely doesn't make you a homophobe.

Anyways...sorry to hear about fandom-frustration, it's never fun to feel like you don't belong.

(p.s. I like John too...I didn't towards the beginning, but he grew on me along the way)
bodgei
Mar. 29th, 2007 11:19 am (UTC)
I realy think the frstration started with last weekes ep, I loved it and it seemed like all the posts I was reading hated it. And soem went so far to say Sera can't write, so when a freind with drew from a com and the mod posted abotu how rude it was - I kinda fliped.

I feel like such a minority all the time in this fandom and it's starting to get to me.
actingfiend1004
Mar. 29th, 2007 04:35 am (UTC)
Personally it does not make you homophobic because you do not like the idea of two siblings screwing, its normal and it makes me very grossed out myself and my best friend is gay, thankful he's not screwing his siblings which makes all the difference. Do not feel bad about whinning as you say its not really that its more expressing your opinions and if people can't stand it and are hell bent on creating pieces of trash about two siblings shaking up i'd question their sanity. You're alright sweety and i stand by your side on everything. People are scary sometimes.
bodgei
Mar. 29th, 2007 11:15 am (UTC)
I actuly went through last night filtered my f'list to my Supernatural frinds and went through and counted posts of wincest and posts without wincest - they came up eaven - execpt, you know, I had a bunch of posts that were totaly non SPN related (and therefor not wincest)

This came up hard (well 4 days after) on the heels of reading a post about how Sera Gambel can't write (something I compleatly disagree with - since she's written some of my fav eps) so I was likely to go off the deep end.
ani_bester
Mar. 30th, 2007 01:29 am (UTC)
Ok first, I don't watch Supernatural. Never seen a single episode. Not for dislike or anything I jsut enver catch it despite the fact that it sounds right up my alley.

That sad.
*insert capslocked curse words*
I'm so sick of the slash fandom screaming "homophobic" at people who don't like non-canon slash ESPECIALLY if said slash in incest!

Geezus and monkeys, not liking the idea of Sam/Frodo, Harry/Draco, Starbuc/Apollo Face/Hannibal or whatever the fuck else isn't homophobic. It's a choice in what someone wnats to read. Saying peopel should enver write it because it's sinful unnatural and not to be put ont he internet is when it becoem homophobic. Not wanting tor ead about two charaters who aren't gay in canon being gay . . not homophobi. Why is this a hard concept?

I just don't get it. It's so stupid it hurts my brain.
And what really gets me is the people who are most likely to go off the deep end are absolutely *nasty* to a lot of the het. canon females who might be in a relaitosnhip with said person who the fandom wants to think is gay. So you know, vocally oppssing the het relatiosnhip is totally fine, vocally oppossing the gay relaitoships is bigoted and intolerant. Ok WTF.

Christ but there's a big difference between wishing the fandom would focus less on something that bugs you and *demanding* it to so or being intolerant.I wish the HP fandom focuses less on Snarry and Harry/Draco. I don't like those.
heck I point blank refused to draw Draco/Lucius for an art challenge. I'm not homophobic, but that *bothered* me.
Again, this shouldn't be a hard concept to udnerstand.

. . and yeah
RL speaking . . incest . . usually not good.
Being upset that someone would be bugged by incest also confuses me.

. . now if you're excuse I need to get back go drawing Starbuck/Apollo/Athena =P
bodgei
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:15 am (UTC)
LOL

Actuly you probably woudl like it. Many people from x-files/ millenium work/ write direct etc. I think I kinda over reacted to (form mud that got slung before) since this time around I didn't get the big phobe word cucked at me. And let me tell you I would get disowned for beign a homophobe. The fandome is small and very fervant

the whole thing about the het cannon realationships getting yelled about has been happining alot as well and it makes me sad too - althought I chalk it up to "She can't sleep with my guy" disease.

I remember getting crap once for thinking Peter/Remus was more realistic (durign school) then Remus/Sirius and thinking - OK whatever...

But for some reason this bugged me sigh*
jenni_fromtexas
Mar. 30th, 2007 02:07 pm (UTC)
Well you know I'm definitely on your side. And I loves me some Sammy too! I was called a homophobe too for detesting wincest, which is not only completely untrue but the most illogical insult I've hear yet. But then, look at where a lot of those people are coming from to begin with (inbreeding come to mind, lol).
bodgei
Mar. 31st, 2007 04:33 am (UTC)
yeah I've been wondering abotu that.

This whole thing really wen't all kinds of crazy didn't it?
jenni_fromtexas
Mar. 31st, 2007 02:58 pm (UTC)
Yes, it did. Most of all many wincesters showed their true colors for their ability to hurl lewd insults, much the way certain breeds of monkeys throw their feces at people walking by their cages.
bodgei
Mar. 31st, 2007 05:49 pm (UTC)
What really really gets to me is that Trysan830 has always defended everyones rights to say whatever they want. It's so childish. Everybody knows she's not into Wincest so her leaving that comm shouldn't have suprized anyone.

I've never modded a l/j comm but I woudl hope I woudl do better than that. I mean I had to ref any number of fights when I ran a Harry Potter fourm site - I know people can get hot about fandome, I get it. We are pasonate people and in this time in history (where, honsetly, we are more isolated then any time) we look for comunity in fandom (or sports or whatever). SPN fandom is like a small town (vs say Harry Potter or Star Treck) and I think everythign that hpappens is felt deeply. Simple disagreements become huge fuids that leave everyone shaken and hurt.

The past few weeks have left me feeling almost like I am living in Salem Town or Salem Village in colonal times, the witch trials are going on and I'm thinking "Alright, how did 'we should pay our minster the back pay we owe him' and 'I would like my wife to get my property after I die' turn into this?"

What happend to you in the comm (although I really never got a chance to read it all) and in your personal l/j was a bit like Giles Cory being pressed to death for saying the whole thing was crap.

OK that was totaly rambely...
jenni_fromtexas
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)
Yep, agreed.

Giles Corey, lol. Yeah, that's me, I guess. A grumble puss but an honorable grumble puss. LOL. And the pressure has built up around me, and I'm sure many of them would love to see me thrown into a pit and have stones weighed down on me until I've gasped my last breath for what in their eyes were wrongdoings, but I'm not going to let them bother me anymore. *g*
bodgei
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:30 am (UTC)
just remember his last words "more weight"

Actuly there is a ledgend in the leagl system of essex county that his last words were not "more weight" but were actualy a curse on the blood of all the shreifs of Essex county. An unusual number of Essex county sherifs have retired becasue of Heart Attacks or blood born disesse...
jenni_fromtexas
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:41 am (UTC)
That's right! Oooh, my creative mind can do so much with that. LOL!
bodgei
Apr. 1st, 2007 01:42 am (UTC)
I have statisics on the deaths of Essex Co sherifs if you want htem>...
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